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11 months ago  ::  24 Jul 12 11:17 PM #21
nitevenom
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sad I am to say I do not use either one , budget won't allow atm  , so I am pretty much playing the peeps as we meet on the tables with no or little info (if I played with one before )..not much to go by there
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you'll need to define horrendous lol . I feel not only like a fish ... but a fish out of water .   I forgot the most important part , Thank you very much for your offer to helpSmile
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11 months ago  ::  25 Jul 12 09:41 AM #22
wiggy
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"you'll need to define horrendous lol . I feel not only like a fish ... but a fish out of water"

Explain that statement and let's work from there

What part of your game do you struggle with most?

How much do you know about odds and outs?

How do you decide on your opening range and why?

What is the first thing you are looking to improve?

Open a new thread and I'll help if I can, I'll supply links to information and posts in this forum, simple easy to understand strategies for you to improve at low cost, and an offer for you to contact me directly at any time for help or just to watch your play 


Oh and if you are fishing I'll snap your rod Laughing
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11 months ago  ::  25 Jul 12 03:05 PM #23
nitevenom
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@ wiggy     First , I would like to thank you for your kind and generous offer to help and assist me in improving my game Smile  .

an explanation of my statment " I feel not only like a fish ... but a fish out of water "

  fish = newbie ..  fish out of water =   like a fish out of water I can not swim , call me pan seared flounder . The reason I think this is 2 fold  #1: as I mentioned in other threads in this forum , not only are the people in this community friendly and helpful but very good players as well . ( this is a good thing and the reason I try to take an active part within the community) #2 is the tools available that most seem to use these days to give them an edge in their game I.E.  pokertracker , hold'em manager and countless others . So not only do I need to worry about the good players (from whom one might learn something ) but also the bad players who use these tools . For example , the one weapon I thought I had was being able to muck my cards and people not knowing what I'd played ... not so ! I read that these tools can and will reveal your mucked cards , removing the element of guessing what I held and making my weapon harmless . sorry this was long and winded I do tend to ramble on by times . I hope this somewhat takes care of the explantion part of your post .  If you believe that you can help this old dog learn new tricks , then I will start a new thread and start on the other questions you have raised..... As the Nitty Gritty Dirt band sang   Fishing in the dark...PS. please don't snap my rodEmbarassed
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11 months ago  ::  25 Jul 12 06:44 PM #24
slim
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I cant see wiggys post its a blank screen.
If you cant afford the tools venom make notes on the players, if you reg play the tables you will get to see the same faces day in day out, also if you see players not sitting with a full buyin you can be sure they are not regs, it baffles me on NL tables why players sit with min buyin as when they win with there big hands they only get the min payout where if you sit with full buyin you get a nice double up.
I know this doesnt apply in this thread but i still wouldnt be sitting down with min buyin, when i see these players i put more pressure on them as alot of them are playing with scared money.
You just need to identify your targets as some will sit down playing crazy with min buy in and some just play to tight. Once you know the ones that are playing to tight they are the 1s you can exploit.  Let me know when your on tables as i will open up and join you. I want to play another 10k pluss hands at the low lvls and then go over my game and where i need to adjust, i dont think the lvl of play will change that much until you get to the higher limits. And you get bad players at all lvls so as long as we are playing at our best i think $s can be made.
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11 months ago  ::  25 Jul 12 07:08 PM #25
nitevenom
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carp , I think you just showed me 2 of my leaks... althought I do not play to tight all the time , I do a lot of the time mostly because I am trying to get a read on players and not get involved in hands... hummm  . the other is probably true also , because I am trying to hard to build a good BR you could say I am guilty of playing with scared money... I will have to work on these .. thanks again slim :) I will let you know when I can sit down  and play for awhile .
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11 months ago  ::  25 Jul 12 09:59 PM #26
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When I posted the box was black so I had to change the text to white, so when they changed the box back to white it went blank lol

I don't want to take over this thread as it's about fixed limit so start a new thread nitevenom and answer the questions, then ask anything you want and I'll see what I can do

As for short stacks at tables BEWARE! it's a legitimate strategy for some players and they play it well on a hit and run basis, you need to make meticulous notes on who's playing multiple tables short stacked and who's actually just playing scared money, I have often used the shortstack strategy when tables only have 1 player with a full buy in on them because you know he's going to target you with drawing hands, you'd be supprised how much you can make just by targeting the players buying in full on short stacked tables because they think chips mean power

Information and knowledge is real power and everything you need is there free of charge if somebody just points you in the right direction, tracking software is fantastic if you multi table as it can give you an instant insight, but colour coding to your own criteria can work just as well and can be done after your session finishes

As the saying goes "the more I learn the luckier I get"   
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11 months ago  ::  26 Jul 12 04:08 PM #27
nitevenom
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Ok , I have to retract my statment " I am  no quitter " Because I found there is no way I can play the fix limit at micro lvl . you can wait for position , you can play only (a) group ( AA KK AK and so on) and you will always get a caller making a donk play to win the hand .you wait and play position and still they call.. If the blinds don't get you the donks will . Fixed limit micro lvl definitly not a good place to play if you want to build  your BR unless you are willing to play like a donk and hope to get lucky ... so sorry but am out of the fixed limit micro games.
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11 months ago  ::  26 Jul 12 06:21 PM #28
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How many hands was the session you played?
Every1 will have a bad session, you cant quit after a bad day.
I was going to play a session tonight but am playing  live so wont get to hit online tables till Saturday. And as stated many times before we want the donk calls as they are the 1s that will build our B/R. A good friend of mine said to me that i would never be able to beat the rake and the donks at the micro lvls on omaha tables, well i did and i think i will beat the rake and donks on the F/L tables when i get to 10k hands il know if its beatable.
At the micro limits in any poker format be it omaha8 or fl he it is like no fold em poker so always go in with strong hands let them go in with weak hands, im sure you will make a few 
bucks. 

Dont go jumping lvls until you are beating the lvl you are at just because you think players will be better at the higher lvls, you will still get crazy calls that will baffle you and if you dont have the B/R for the beats you will soon go broke and be reloading.  
Just load up a couple of $3-$6 tables and you will see some very strange play just because the lvls are higher doesnt mean you dont get fish at higher lvls, luckily i have spotted a target on the F/L tables who i have marked from my omaha8 sessions and he plays the same way, he loves to gamble and having watched him on F/L tables he is just as loose he must be very rich as he always seems to be dropping alot.
Good luck, dont give up after 1 bad session.  
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11 months ago  ::  26 Jul 12 07:02 PM #29
nitevenom
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this would be my second such session , and no am not so dumb as to try at higher lvl's atm. for now I will play micro  6 handed sng's for I do better there . Good luck at the live tables
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11 months ago  ::  28 Jul 12 11:45 PM #30
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Ok venom il be hitting the tables again this weekend so hopefully see you on them hopefully get another 1-2k hands in. 
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