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10 months ago  ::  05 Aug 12 06:37 PM #41
nitevenom
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I tried it today with what was left of my BR , played for about an hour and a half and lost .05 cents ... lol best day I have had in F/L 
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10 months ago  ::  05 Aug 12 11:24 PM #42
Darren(apachetear)
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keep plugin away nitevenom, its only a matter of time till you get your groove on
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10 months ago  ::  09 Aug 12 09:35 PM #43
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This last week has been very busy for me and i havent had chance to sit down and get any decent time in, but i will post up my stats and how its going when i get to 5k mark.
Also i had a bad experience on tables today as witnessed some abusive ignorant chat which came at a bad time as im teaching my son the basics of F/L, and i will be reporting the player and hopefully wont see him again.
Anyhow i hope you are all getting your hands in good and are winning, hopefully see you on the tables in near future. 
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10 months ago  ::  09 Aug 12 10:01 PM #44
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05 Aug 12 12:37 PM , nitevenom wrote:

I tried it today with what was left of my BR , played for about an hour and a half and lost .05 cents ... lol best day I have had in F/L 


I think that is a really good way to learn, and if you haven;t really lost anything, that is even better, good luck

Jeanie  Smile

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10 months ago  ::  10 Aug 12 04:10 AM #45
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I thought also that it may be a good way to learn , but found if you play good poker (at least for me) you lose people don't fold and luck out on the river almost everytime and that sucks . to beat these people you do as they do  (but if I did that I would lose ) I find it funny i play good cards  , I know there are bad swings when everything goes against you or so it seems but hey am just a beginner what do I know . Some players do well there , more power to them. To tell you the truth , I wish I could afford to play at higher stakes am sure I would enjoy this format even if I lost there at least it would have been a good game and after all it is the game I like for now I will play a few forum games because the peeps here are great and the odd mtt and sng's within my budget . being a stubborn old goat I won't give up on this but will limit how much time and or money I will invest in this a losing proposition . I do not  need to learn to hold my cards to the river . 

@slim am really sorry your son had to see the worst elements on the table .Maybe one day this kind of player will no longer exist (won't hold my breath) there should be someway to discourage this kind of behavior , and the task should not fall to us to block them on chat that solves nothing . A ban may work if it is followed through and a repeat offender then gets permanent ban not from one but all sites . would be nice to see all of them ( poker sites) working together on this.
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10 months ago  ::  10 Aug 12 01:08 PM #46
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Hi all and an extra hi to slim.

I did say i was following this link ..... but over the last week I have played a few hours of the micro level games on 888 and on the other site ..... but i cant seem to turn a profit ..... i will post my thoughts soon I am trying a few new tac ticks .... there are just to many players at this level will chase their 4 outers ..... I need to try a few things and will come back with my thoughts. I normally play $2 $4 live when in vegas but at micro level my play is not working.

Gl all

Andy 
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10 months ago  ::  10 Aug 12 07:25 PM #47
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09 Aug 12 10:10 PM , nitevenom wrote:

I thought also that it may be a good way to learn , but found if you play good poker (at least for me) you lose people don't fold and luck out on the river almost everytime and that sucks . to beat these people you do as they do  (but if I did that I would lose ) I find it funny i play good cards  , I know there are bad swings when everything goes against you or so it seems but hey am just a beginner what do I know . Some players do well there , more power to them. To tell you the truth , I wish I could afford to play at higher stakes am sure I would enjoy this format even if I lost there at least it would have been a good game and after all it is the game I like for now I will play a few forum games because the peeps here are great and the odd mtt and sng's within my budget . being a stubborn old goat I won't give up on this but will limit how much time and or money I will invest in this a losing proposition . I do not  need to learn to hold my cards to the river . 

@slim am really sorry your son had to see the worst elements on the table .Maybe one day this kind of player will no longer exist (won't hold my breath) there should be someway to discourage this kind of behavior , and the task should not fall to us to block them on chat that solves nothing . A ban may work if it is followed through and a repeat offender then gets permanent ban not from one but all sites . would be nice to see all of them ( poker sites) working together on this.




Nope none of that makes sense, you might want to read that back and see where you went wrong, or you might want to read this reply

Firstly you have to understand fixed limit poker, secondly you need to have a plan at each table you sit at, thirdly you need to play without emotion

Firstly
Fixed limit is a way for bad players to see many hands cheaply and occasionally getting lucky, it's also where good players go to make easy profits from bad players playing many hands and occasionally getting lucky, if you get involved with speculative hands the good players see this and put you under pressure knowing they can outdraw you or call for info on the river, and you also have the bad players getting lucky against you so it seems like your losing all of the time, in fixed limit you are priced to call as soon as the river lands whether you have a hand or not, the odds don't change and a call is cheap enough for info, there is no point bluffing the river

Secondly
join a table but sit out and let a full round go before you actually play, and that means sitting out the blinds first time round not joining behind the blinds and clicking "post blinds" now you can watch for the loose players and the good players and decide which style you can play, it doesn't matter what you chose! loose agressive or tight agressive by watching the table you will know, play loose on tight tables and tight on loose tables, when in position build pots with strong holdings, when out of position raise with strong holdings and call with draws, your going to lose hands on the river because that's the nature of micro fixed limit, but by building pots in position with hands that hold you win more than you lose when the donks can't fold that A, but keep an eye on the table and adapt to changes! people losing a lot will swap tables when they work out they can't win, this is where colour coding comes in as you can find them again easilly, by the way Q3 is fine if your playing loose on a tight table, but it's not a hand to get involved with anyother time, thats called playing ats (any two suited) donks do that and your not going to be one of them, 1 and 2 gappers are fine suited aces are fine if playing loose, just learn when to fold them

Thirdly
Emotion has no part to play in poker, just because others are winning with A4 doesn't mean you start playing A4, just because others hit inside str8 draws agains you doesn't change the odds of you hitting them, beats happen some are sick most are not learn to ignore them and move on, never play hands because others are winning with them, that just makes you the target

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10 months ago  ::  11 Aug 12 03:56 AM #48
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Your right , it sounds like I am whining and or border line tiltingEmbarassed . Thank you for your faith that I shall not be one of the donks . Before I take a seat at the table I watch 2 , 3 sometimes four complete rounds . Today also I started back to playing as I should have been all along , and while I still make mistakes I did come out ahead all be it a small amount .. but that is 100% better than losing . I shall follow even more carefully part two of your reply on this post . Am sure if I do this it will plug a few of my major leaks . Thank you very much again for your advice and help in making me a better player . 

                                       remaining eager to learn .   nitevenom 
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10 months ago  ::  11 Aug 12 06:41 AM #49
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10 Aug 12 09:56 PM , nitevenom wrote:

Your right , it sounds like I am whining and or border line tilting . Thank you for your faith that I shall not be one of the donks . Before I take a seat at the table I watch 2 , 3 sometimes four complete rounds . Today also I started back to playing as I should have been all along , and while I still make mistakes I did come out ahead all be it a small amount .. but that is 100% better than losing . I shall follow even more carefully part two of your reply on this post . Am sure if I do this it will plug a few of my major leaks . Thank you very much again for your advice and help in making me a better player . 

                                       remaining eager to learn .   nitevenom 


hi m888s i have found this thread quite interesting,every player plays the game differently & with different views.over the last 2 weeks i have been playing in fixed limit 5&10 6 seater,mainly out of bordem & with 1 eye on the tv,i started on the 2 & 4 cents but it seemed to slow with small pots so i moved up a level and found the 5 & 10 much better,normaly i play no limit but at micro many players over price their hands & quite often on micro you cant price anyone out some players will play anything,so i tryed the fixed games & to my amazment the first night i played i turned a profit so i played again & again i won & so on averageing about 8 buks a night( not much i hear you say ) but over a week my bankroll is up,it all adds up. i did enjoy reading wiggys post,its good to read how others view the game, im not sure what catagorie you would put me in as i play a bit of both depending on the table. i agree that in the fixed games players will play almost every hand & with any 2 cards but i do not mind this as i will call a flop with any cards that can give me a straight, flush, or paint,depending on my oponents, to me i find it a cheep call to see a flop in fixed game & even cheeper to see a turn most times, i admit i play alot more hands in fixed games beacause its fixed i find that im playing hands that normaly i might fold in the NLH game beacause its cheep & i no that the other players cannot out bet me out of it pre flop, so i spose you call this speculating & im ok with that you got to be in the pot to win the pot,however im no d o n k , i do draw the line at cards like j4 off 29 of & so on.as i said before everyone plays differently & has different views,have a plan when you sit down sure but be prepared to change you play and your cards,if your ace kqjten is not winning play cards like low suits & hands like 67 89 45 so on,if your just playing premium cards other players will see this & play you acordingly, the best way to play is to mix things up & keep you opponents geusing,some times its good to play loose let them see you playing loose then change & tighten up or play tight then play loose you got to mix your play up.
 

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10 months ago  ::  11 Aug 12 09:44 AM #50
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Thank you very much again for your advice and help in making me a better player

Your already a better player than you think you are because when your plays are questioned you look at your plays, bad players just argue with the questioning

apachetear

i agree that in the fixed games players will play almost every hand & with any 2 cards but i do not mind this as i will call a flop with any cards that can give me a straight, flush, or paint, depending on my oponents

I like the "depending on my opponents" statement, and you can call with most hands as long as you know when to fold them, I would draw the line at "any cards that can give me a flush" though

let's say for instance you are dealt Kh 8h the flop comes Kd 6c 9s, you have top pair with a weak kicker and no chance of the flush, are you folding top pair or looking for trips or an 8? if you play to the river and don't improve how many times will K8 be the best hand? it may only cost you two more calls but if you lose it's two less bets you have for a good hand

Something your going to find a lot at micro limits is tables full of passive players with 4 or 5 going to the flop then checking and just calling a bet on the flop, if your in the hand and have hit something consider trying to thin the field, when it comes to you instead of just calling allowing everybody else to pay 1 bet to stay in try raising so it costs them 2 bets, if they still all call then your going to have to hope you have the best of it, but most of the time passive players will fold to your raise thining the field and increasing your odds of winning

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