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9 months ago ::
07 Sep 12 06:49 PM
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A rusty old bucket down by the barn sings...I'm going to shine one day.
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Ok have download the trial for PT4 and find it has a tool much like pokerstove , so many things to figure out here but will give it a go .
in transition
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9 months ago ::
08 Sep 12 07:51 AM
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i dont use a poker tracker i no many players use it but ive noticed that they dont play any better with it its a tool sure... it might help sure...what happens when you play live poker without a tracker you will be lost without it wont you... i would even go asfar to say you might play worse with it. what is poker becoming??? i mean come on m888s... ok get a poker tracker... ok get pokerstove... ok get colour coded cards... ok get the poker coach...ok give up... if you need these tools time to go play roulette...LOL.
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9 months ago ::
08 Sep 12 10:33 AM
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A rusty old bucket down by the barn sings...I'm going to shine one day.
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I thought much the same apache , but went ahead and downloaded the trial offer was pretty much a waste of time because you do not get all the functions in the trial and it makes the table look like carp with all that info and a big register now thingy in the middle for you to buy it .. oh well back to the old fashion way for me I find I focus better without all the gizzmos
PS I do wear glasses and am dabbling with more than 1 table now so the colored deck is helpful
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9 months ago ::
08 Sep 12 10:50 AM
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ok coloured cards might work if you multi table, i only play max 3 tables at a time as i like to focus on the game rather than my screens poping up with severall diff games . i have in the past folded by mistake wen a table thats needs attention pops up & i have gone all in by mistake aswell ... if it helps use it... as for me ile stick with the normall deck.
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9 months ago ::
09 Sep 12 02:23 PM
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Jan 23, 2009
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i dont use a poker tracker i no many players use it but ive noticed that they dont play any better with it its a tool sure... it might help sure...what happens when you play live poker without a tracker you will be lost without it wont you... i would even go asfar to say you might play worse with it. what is poker becoming??? i mean come on m888s... ok get a poker tracker... ok get pokerstove... ok get colour coded cards... ok get the poker coach...ok give up... if you need these tools time to go play roulette...LOL.
The tools are used as they will give you an edge when playing, when playing live we are on 1 table online we can play 12+ this is where the huds will help you.
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9 months ago ::
10 Sep 12 01:22 PM
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A rusty old bucket down by the barn sings...I'm going to shine one day.
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in that case , since I only play 1 table it is not a tool I need . I have tried 2 tables twice and in the scope of things when many play four or more tables one wonders how they manage it ...at cash games not to difficult I reckon but sng's and MTT's attention needed at so many places gives you no time to play good poker , and I want to be a good poker player .
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9 months ago ::
11 Sep 12 02:52 AM
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Apr 30, 2011
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People that play more than four tables don't think much at all. They are on auto pilot and make quick general decisions that are right in the long run.
Niv the bad part of mutying sng or mtt is the different blind levels at the same time.
As for PT4 even if it just runs in the background unused and un-noticed most of the time? there will come a time when looking at the information can help you make a correct decision at a critical time.
It's good to know for example that player pokernutbag has lost 96% of hands that he has raised on the river or lost none after a bet etc etc, he cbets 99% of flops, never bets turns with less than a pair or nut flush draw etc etc etc.
Even the simple stats like VIP/PFR help, a vp of 50 % tells you he is playing 50% of all hands he is dealt, so his range is roughly top 50% of hands, same as if vp is 10 ? he is only playing the top 10% of hands, would you treat each player the same way???
If anyones pfr is way above 15%? he is raising with poorer cards than most other players pfr with so you can get a clearer idea of his range just by knowing how he enters hands, on and on it goes the info should add up to better desicions.
When you see a player with vp 85/55 you know he is playing almost any two cards and trying to outplay everyone at the table, on the other hand a player with vp 18/12 is relying on big premium hands to beat everyone.
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9 months ago ::
11 Sep 12 06:10 AM
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People that play more than four tables don't think much at all. They are on auto pilot and make quick general decisions that are right in the long run.
Niv the bad part of mutying sng or mtt is the different blind levels at the same time.
As for PT4 even if it just runs in the background unused and un-noticed most of the time? there will come a time when looking at the information can help you make a correct decision at a critical time.
It's good to know for example that player pokernutbag has lost 96% of hands that he has raised on the river or lost none after a bet etc etc, he cbets 99% of flops, never bets turns with less than a pair or nut flush draw etc etc etc.
Even the simple stats like VIP/PFR help, a vp of 50 % tells you he is playing 50% of all hands he is dealt, so his range is roughly top 50% of hands, same as if vp is 10 ? he is only playing the top 10% of hands, would you treat each player the same way???
If anyones pfr is way above 15%? he is raising with poorer cards than most other players pfr with so you can get a clearer idea of his range just by knowing how he enters hands, on and on it goes the info should add up to better desicions.
When you see a player with vp 85/55 you know he is playing almost any two cards and trying to outplay everyone at the table, on the other hand a player with vp 18/12 is relying on big premium hands to beat everyone.
nice post, when put that way it makes alot of sense
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9 months ago ::
11 Sep 12 08:38 AM
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Date Joined:
May 10, 2006
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I will make the FT, I will make the FT, I will make the FT
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It's good to know for example that player pokernutbag has lost 96% of hands that he has raised on the river or lost none after a bet etc etc, he cbets 99% of flops, never bets turns with less than a pair or nut flush draw etc etc etc.
Thanks Rod, I knew most of what you posted, but how did you get the stats on range on the turn river etc.
I often look at things like c-bet before getting into some hands, i.e. oppenent always c-bets and never folds to c-bet on the flop really can change how you play a hand before the flop as you are less likely to re-raise with marginal hands you may raise other players with when in position.
Again, player C-bet 25% of the time and they just C-bet, chances are they are only c-betting with the goods, can you beat them?
Another one, player always folds to c-bet, but they have just re-raised you, once again without the goods you've got to fold, but most of the time this is an easy steal.
Would love to know how you get the info on cards holding on turn bets, etc as I think that would help me acheive another level to my game.
Blind defence is the other stat t'm trying to understand, are they an easy steal or are they going to ask the question?
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9 months ago ::
12 Sep 12 06:53 AM
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Apr 30, 2011
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Aw most of my good stats are custom made by me for me and my style. The one you want is called $cardrange and it will show the known hole cards held under any given situation, like 3 bet UTG $cardrange.. will show what he held when he 3bet from UTG.
I have one that tells me what hand an opponent had when he bet at flush boards, it's good to know if? the only time he bets there? is with air and he checks all good hands or visa versa etc etc.
If you are a constant bluffer? (not me lol) you may want to know how often each player folds on each street, from that info you could play some hands without looking at your cards and still know where you stand most of the time.
When you find yourself in a situation where you say to yourself/ gee i wish i knew such and such? maybe (his cardrange for 3 betting and or 4 betting? from utg or the blinds with bb< or >25 etc?) build a custom stat that shows you that info.
If the table gets too cluttered? you can create custom popups so the info pops up only if you need it.
If stats show that a guy (Nit) only enters 20% of all hands he sees? and folds 50% of those before a showdown? (sound familiar?) you could raise him every single hand without bothering about your own cards. Eventually you will have all his chips, no skill required.
I have a custom hud for every type of game i play, my cash hud looks nothing like my MTT hud and my rarely used HU hud must be seen to be believed, so much info there because of all the free space on the table when only two are seated.etc.
Custom stats are the nuts because they suit you and your default style of play.
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