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9 months ago  ::  10 Sep 12 10:49 PM #1
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I have decided to revive this, for those not aware I used to blog but not just poker, life, rants, personal bookkmarks and live events, and I think I will still do this

But today I have put up a blog about range finding, feel free to comment, also feel free to ask for blogs about anything you want discussed, this will never rival Aarons blog but I'll do my best to research any question asked or give an honest opinion of my way of playing hands

Sometimes blogs take a while to go live, but if announced you will always find them here

http://my.888poker.com/wiggy/blog/?pref_tab=blog    

There was no moderation here. I was trying to make the link clickable.
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9 months ago  ::  14 Sep 12 12:21 PM #2
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Todays blog?

check raising

And thanks to awf for the inspiration, your comment in a hand history discussion got me thinking about how and when to use the check raise, and forms the basis of this blog, it's always nice to be inspired
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9 months ago  ::  20 Sep 12 04:29 PM #3
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Link clickable now -cheers Jen!
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9 months ago  ::  21 Sep 12 12:14 PM #4
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Thanks for making the link live guys

New blog post today on the stop and go
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9 months ago  ::  22 Sep 12 12:59 AM #5
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I was reading the check raise post on your blog. And sorry but it's utterbad. 
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9 months ago  ::  22 Sep 12 01:10 AM #6
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hello cedric , you have read the post and you disagree , why don't you tell us how it should be ?
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9 months ago  ::  22 Sep 12 01:22 AM #7
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I don't mean to seem cocky and to have enough knownledge in that domain. I actually checked that out because it is an area I should definitly improve. But there are some things I know tho.

Saying that you have Enough outs to justify a call against a flop 5 bet With middle pair because you have "enough" outs sounds totally retarded. in fact you have around 20 equity in the best case with around 5 outs .  That was the part that I really disliked.  secundo on the first hand you have around 10 outs  . Wich is way better if you checkraised allin. I think checkraising should be done when you have a fair equity to win in case you are called. In the case you check raise with middle pair:you are either A: making the hand you will beat fold. B: being called by better.

Sorry  for being a bit rude. And if I'm wrong plz tell me.
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9 months ago  ::  22 Sep 12 02:21 AM #8
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no worries , that is what this forum is for questions and answers as each player is different it generates a good debate of a friendly and informative nature . It is always good to look at things from a different point of view Smile
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9 months ago  ::  22 Sep 12 11:05 AM #9
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21 Sep 12 07:22 PM , cedric wrote:

I don't mean to seem cocky and to have enough knownledge in that domain. I actually checked that out because it is an area I should definitly improve. But there are some things I know tho.

Saying that you have Enough outs to justify a call against a flop 5 bet With middle pair because you have "enough" outs sounds totally retarded. in fact you have around 20 equity in the best case with around 5 outs .  That was the part that I really disliked.  secundo on the first hand you have around 10 outs  . Wich is way better if you checkraised allin. I think checkraising should be done when you have a fair equity to win in case you are called. In the case you check raise with middle pair:you are either A: making the hand you will beat fold. B: being called by better.

Sorry  for being a bit rude. And if I'm wrong plz tell me.




Ty it's always nice to have it confirmed that you're retarded

Just a few things to add

Where is the 5 bet? you don't just keep adding the bets up as you go you start again in each round, therefore when you check to him he continues to bet C-bet not 5 bet

Now you say you have 10 outs in the first hand? in the description I am basing my outs on the betting, my opponent raised pre flop then called my re raise, it would be wrong of me to rule out ace hands from his range and puts AK within range, so looking at that we now know that a 5 splits the pot so a 5 isn't a winning card, if he has AK we can't hit an A as we are already behind to the K kicker leaving 3 queens as potential outs, we have 10 outs only if we never put him on an ace, 3 x aces 3 x queens and 4 x 5's, equity calculators show your odds of winning or losing the hand and your odds of splitting the pot, therefore I never count cards that will split a pot as a potential out, so not being able to rule out an Ax hand I can't count the 4 5's as winning outs

Hand 2 you say only has 5 outs? I really don't understand that, you hold Kh,Th the flop is Ah, 7h, Tc, with the Ah on the board and the Kh in your hand any heart gives you the nut flush, there are 9 hearts still available so that's 9 outs, now with just 9 outs and 2 cards to come you use the rule of 4 and 2 to calculate your hand odds, with 2 cards to come you multiply your outs by 4 so 36%, if you check raise and he shoves you have a 36% chance of winning the hand even if only hitting a heart wins for you, but another T could be an out if he doesn't hold AT adding 2 more outs so now you have 11 outs 44%, so if the amount to call the shove is between 36-44% of the pot you have the odds to call

I'm happy to discuss this further, and I'll get somebody I know to check my reasoning because if it is wrong it needs changing

Feel free to drop in anytime and discuss things with us, but could you try to leave the insults out nex time please

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9 months ago  ::  22 Sep 12 11:08 AM #10
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