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8 months ago  ::  26 Oct 12 03:08 AM #11
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here is one more , where 2 Big Slicks met my Ladies .....  


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7 months ago  ::  26 Oct 12 08:57 AM #12
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I'm not sure what this thread is trying to achieve but it does show something interesting!

If all of the chips go in pre-flop AK is behind in 4 of the 6 screen shots! If all of the chips go in on the river AK is behind in 4 of the 6 screen shots! AK is A high anyway you look at it and is one of the most overplayed hands in poker

In 3 of the first 4 screen shots AK takes the lead only to lose on the river which is what I suppose is being questioned, but without betting histories we don't know when the chips went in (that's why screen shots don't work) take the first screen shot for instance, the chips must have gone in early because AK can't shove or call the river with 4 diamonds out not holding a diamond, a couple of the others could be pot comitted by the time AK shoves

And it's not about how high your win rate is anyway, it's about how much you gain, here's my stats for AK playing $5 sng's on another site it's only a small sample (14,000 hands) but it shows the point I'm trying to make

AKs dealt 45 times, winrate 75.76% chips won -10,552
AKo/s dealt 98 times, winrate 68.37% chips won 17,728

So I win more times with AK suited but win more chips with AK off suit

A question was asked in another thread "overplaying your hand! what does this mean to you" it looks like the answer is " I have AK"
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7 months ago  ::  26 Oct 12 11:03 AM #13
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I think you may be looking to deep for a reason for this thread wiggy.

I simply want to see as many hand results as possible when AK was in play to the river. How they were played is unimportant at the moment.

If you would like to take it a step further and start a thread about how AK should be played in different positions etc that's fine by me and a good idea but that is not the object of this thread. 

More screen shots please guy and gals.






 
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7 months ago  ::  26 Oct 12 11:42 AM #14
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I think you may be looking to deep for a reason for this thread wiggy.

No not me m8, I openly stated that I wasn't sure what the thread was set up to achieve, I then went on to post my observations about what it was showing so far

I'm as interested as I hope other people are to see what the outcome of this thread will be

The rest of it just deflects bad beat replies before they start, we know what people are like m8

I'll post some of mine up when I get time to go through my history, looking at me stats there should be some interesting ones :D
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7 months ago  ::  26 Oct 12 10:35 PM #15
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26 Oct 12 01:46 PM , uk197 wrote:

26 Oct 12 02:57 AM , wiggy wrote:



AKs dealt 45 times, winrate 75.76% chips won -10,552
AKo/s dealt 98 times, winrate 68.37% chips won 17,728

So I win more times with AK suited but win more chips with AK off suit

A question was asked in another thread "overplaying your hand! what does this mean to you" it looks like the answer is " I have AK"



I dont understand what do u do with Ak
My stats, room 888 , all limits, Ako, AKs one of best paid hand
 



I wouldn't expect you to understand

That's why I only posted a small sample and said what games that sample was from

 I lose more with AK suited being priced in for flush draws on the turn

I win more with AK off suit because I win when I hit hands and fold when I don't hit

Do you get it now?
 
your stats mean nothing unless you look deeper, mine state I lose in sng's with AKs and win in sng's with AKo/s tracking software is great if you know how to use it, if you quote from it without knowing what you quote or how to seperate your games then you use it for vanity

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7 months ago  ::  27 Oct 12 05:08 AM #16
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AK... anna kournacova. looks good but plays like crap. i prefer KA...
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7 months ago  ::  27 Oct 12 11:12 AM #17
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14K hands not a big but not a small distance. If You 45  times had Aks and had profit negative, I wouldn't expect you to understand , but it means only one- played wrong. Wrong means -  find leaks and improve the game

You really don't get it do you? your focussing on the one negative stat regarding AK suited, my win rate for AK suited in 45 hands is 1.79 BB/hand but the chips won figure is negative so it must be bad play or a leak, really? think about it for a moment

Just to help out I'll give you an example of a typical losing hand from my history

I have As Ks the flop comes Kh Js 4s there are 7000 chips in the pot and my opponent shoves his last 1000 now let's look at our decision, in this hand I put my opponent on a middle pair or Ax type hand I could be winning right now with my pair of K's, even if I believe I am behind I am drawing to the nut flush giving me a 36% chance of winning the pot 3/1, I will win 8000 chips for my 1000 call 8/1 so I call, turn 6c river Jd I miss and my opponent makes trip J's

I call a bet of 12.5% of the pot 8/1 with a hand that has 3/1 potential to win the pot 36% and you decide it's a leak?

And just to show why the amount of chips won isn't important let's go to an extreme, I just lost 1500 chips and each of my next 3 hands I am dealt As Ks I raise and everybody folds all 3 times and I pick up 150 chips from the blinds, I have won 3 out of 4 hands with AKs 75% winrate, but I have won 450 chips in 3 hands and lost 1500 chips in the hand I lost meaning a win rate of 75% returns a 1050 chip loss, and that loss comes from a value call not a leak as you thought, just reading the figures isn't enough if you don't understand them

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7 months ago  ::  27 Oct 12 12:54 PM #18
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In the movie " The Gambler " lays the secret to playing the AKs/o ... here's a hint .. it's in a song 

  
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7 months ago  ::  27 Oct 12 09:09 PM #19
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More of these please


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7 months ago  ::  27 Oct 12 09:12 PM #20
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and this

all on the same table within a few hands


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