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9 months ago  ::  08 Sep 17 10:22 AM #21
john (DENick}
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06 Sep 17 11:57 PM , Glen wrote:

here is an example of no way anyone plays those cards and I did not but will next time


i do believe doyle brunson won the wsop twice with the same hand(10 2)

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9 months ago  ::  08 Sep 17 05:13 PM #22
John
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06 Sep 17 11:57 PM , Glen wrote:

here is an example of no way anyone plays those cards and I did not but will next time



I see players playing these type of hands all the time.  Majority of the time they will fold post flop because they missed and the problem you have when they hit is putting them on that hand and thats the reason they do it.  What people dont see is the times they folded post flop with these hands so the theory of being  able to tell that these players hit every time they call with these cards is dead in the water unless you happen to be able to see their folded hands. 


Players adopt this strategy in particular to counter players who tend to play just the higher ranked hands.  There are plenty of sites and videos where palyers post conspiracy theories and no one has produced a shred of evidence to support their allegations.  If I went on to a public forum and accused someone of stealing from their employer I would be subject to a lawsuit.


The game of poker is complex with alot of different strategies that have varying results depending on the style of your oponents.  A sensible thing to do would be to watch a table for a period of time befor playing to familarise yourself with each players style and avoid the table if you dont like the type of hands they like to get aggressive with.

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9 months ago  ::  09 Sep 17 07:55 AM #23
Glen
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John:

This response from you absolutely proves my point.


 If I went on to a public forum and accused someone of stealing from their employer I would be subject to a lawsuit.

If any employee of this site has an account and is playing for real money then my calling them a cheater is obviously legitimate.

DO NOT MAKE IDLE THREATS 

By making this statement you have made my issue REAL. 
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9 months ago  ::  09 Sep 17 03:54 PM #24
John
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09 Sep 17 01:55 AM , Glen wrote:

John:

This response from you absolutely proves my point.


 If I went on to a public forum and accused someone of stealing from their employer I would be subject to a lawsuit.

If any employee of this site has an account and is playing for real money then my calling them a cheater is obviously legitimate.

DO NOT MAKE IDLE THREATS 

By making this statement you have made my issue REAL. 



Lol are you serious?  Threat What threat?  Really dude sort yourself out.  If I say im gonna do something I do it.  I said to that other muppet that I wouldnt reply to his posts and I didnt reply and now Im saying I wont reply to you.  This is a forum for players to help each other and seek advice from others who enjoy the game.  Gl and gg.

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9 months ago  ::  09 Sep 17 05:36 PM #25
Glen
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Your statement infers that I am acting in an illegal manner by having an opinion for which i have given a factual event description.  Your statement also infers that 888 Poker employees have accounts on their site.  I see no reason for you include such an egregious statement and malign my character.  Again if what you are saying is your opinion and you have the impression that i may be subject to a lawsuit for giving information in regards to my observations the simple fact is that if there really are employees on this site that in itself is criminal and your attempts to vilify me are absurd.

I have played in 1801 Real Money games since June 20 which include tournaments, Snap, Blast, Flopomania and Sit and Go.

 I am in the process of exporting the hand histories of all the games and hands therein to a csv file.  I have programming expertise in over 50 languages since 1976.  I have code that exists in every major Fortune 500 company and both the US and Canadian Fed along with
numerous state and provincial entities including the District of Columbia.

If you take a close look at the some of the companies I have worked for/at you may notice that during a 5 year period the 4 companies (MCI Worldcom, AMS, Riggs Bank and District of Columbia Dept of Revenue Services) were all under investigation and during my tenure at those companies.  With the information the FBI had acquired (from where) they were able to successfully prosecute all of the thieves that thought they could not be caught.

I have already composed a record of cyclical hands with the exact same hold and table cards and have also identified the improbable betting patterns of a number of "players" who are consistently winning hands which are in the .0001 - .09 percentage of odds of winning against a made hand.

I have already done this with another site and I will soon publish my data and programs in order for anyone to use at their discretion although doing so may be tantamount to fraud even though I am just publishing what are the results of obvious programming and systems architectural design flaws.






 
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9 months ago  ::  10 Sep 17 07:38 PM #26
grumpy (got me vajazzle back)
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blimey glen, you should go on ebay and have a look for tin hats, all you have shown is one hand that may have won if you called (which you didn't). you also say some one has downloaded the entire hand cycle, oh my giddy aunt. do you know how long or how many times you need to shuffle a 52 card pack to start to replicate the previous shuffles? well that number is

80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636, 856,403,766,975,289,505,440, 883,277,824,000,000,000,000




or 8 with 67 zeros after it. there is no way the whole hand cycle has been done yet and it won't be done any time soon. i have been playing at 888 for 11 years and on this forum for about 8 years, every now and again someone comes along with tales of whoa and how they lost a few dollars and the site and or game is rigged, put online poker down glenn and go back to moon landing theories or chemtrails. nothing to see here
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4 months ago  ::  23 Jan 18 05:55 PM #27
slim
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09 Sep 17 11:36 AM , Glen wrote:


Your statement infers that I am acting in an illegal manner by having an opinion for which i have given a factual event description.  Your statement also infers that 888 Poker employees have accounts on their site.  I see no reason for you include such an egregious statement and malign my character.  Again if what you are saying is your opinion and you have the impression that i may be subject to a lawsuit for giving information in regards to my observations the simple fact is that if there really are employees on this site that in itself is criminal and your attempts to vilify me are absurd.

I have played in 1801 Real Money games since June 20 which include tournaments, Snap, Blast, Flopomania and Sit and Go.

 I am in the process of exporting the hand histories of all the games and hands therein to a csv file.  I have programming expertise in over 50 languages since 1976.  I have code that exists in every major Fortune 500 company and both the US and Canadian Fed along with
numerous state and provincial entities including the District of Columbia.

If you take a close look at the some of the companies I have worked for/at you may notice that during a 5 year period the 4 companies (MCI Worldcom, AMS, Riggs Bank and District of Columbia Dept of Revenue Services) were all under investigation and during my tenure at those companies.  With the information the FBI had acquired (from where) they were able to successfully prosecute all of the thieves that thought they could not be caught.

I have already composed a record of cyclical hands with the exact same hold and table cards and have also identified the improbable betting patterns of a number of "players" who are consistently winning hands which are in the .0001 - .09 percentage of odds of winning against a made hand.

I have already done this with another site and I will soon publish my data and programs in order for anyone to use at their discretion although doing so may be tantamount to fraud even though I am just publishing what are the results of obvious programming and systems architectural design flaws.


Hows your stats going?



 




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4 months ago  ::  23 Jan 18 07:12 PM #28
Glen
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I was kicked from the site 6 weeks ago.  More than likely it was due to the request I sent to the Board to include providing the software and architetual design documentation to the supposed firm which they say have run annual audits of the hand histories they supposedly archived.

As I previously mentioned I have an extensive background in all aspects that are required to implement complex large scale Mainframe applications.  I have worked for both the Canadian and US Federal Goverments along with numerous Fortune 100 companies.  

In only dealing with Hand Histories for auditing purposes they are not painting a complete picture.

The flaw in that statement is quite obvious.  When working at GE Capital I re-engineered their re-insurance system.  The amount of data that was required to be processed for a single batch run required a total of 7 days to complete the process.  In only 3 months I analyzed all of the software and re-coded and re-designed the application and I was able ot cut the run time in half.   The latgest part of the process I chopped was to remove duplicate records prior to running each batch cycle.   

So sending just a data file to an auditor of hand histories requires that the data integrity processe also be provided to the auditor.  If they are running cyclical hands the duplicate records can easily be removed.   

So what I am saying is that in order to provide the users (Me and You) complete transparency of their system the software MUST be provided along with the designed protocols in place for securitization of their data.

Now to answer you question. I have compeletd compiling 3  different 24 hour cycles of hands I have played over a period of 3 months.  I have identified cyclical data (hand histories) along with the real time user information of hand play.  

I have already forwarded this information to 888 Poker and also a few other agencies.

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4 months ago  ::  23 Jan 18 10:01 PM #29
slim
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Be interresting to know how many tables you are playing in that 24 hour period also are you playing full tables or 6 man tables. How many hands are you getting in each session?
And what format are you tracking, cash tables MTT or SNGs?
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4 months ago  ::  25 Jan 18 09:02 PM #30
jeremy
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Now I remember why I left two years ago... To come back and see the same old bull, game after game it just does not add up... I can't begin to tell you how many games I have run deep in now and as usual lost to a lower kicker or something the person shouldn;t be playing to begin with.... A runner runner straight, a runner runner flush higher pocket pair vs a pair of 66;s or something .. that nail the flop or runner runner straight you.. You name it.. That river card is always just waiting to pounce when the best hand gos all in..  It really makes me sick to alreayd be expecting the loss with the best hand in, and its just keeps happening over and over... Keeping people around the break even level is all I see with this load of b.s.. Go deep in a tourney for hours, or play a s n g for an hour to see this 90% of the time... No interest in this garbage they claim is fair...

 Like everything else.. The technology behind algorithms and the features that deal us the cards are constantly being updated or midified.. After many years I am starting to notice  big swing in how things are going down.. Its like we are being kept at a break even level to keep more people paying the rake or something. I do not know.. But by all means the course of events that take place ina  single night of poker just do not happen in real life.. I don't care how many cards an hour you tell me I see vs live... Its setup to make the buisness money.. Simple as that.. Every company and buisness on earth wants to make more money... Its clearly been done starting at the software that deals your customers its cards.. 
    Poker is not the same as it once was online.. Not even close. Taken over by the greed of the people running the show to keep a customer base around while at the same time making steady profit.
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