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10 months ago  ::  12 Mar 18 03:43 PM #1
John
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I am sure most of you here that follow football have seen the incident involving Carragher and a fan by now.  First of all Carraghers reaction was appalling and he is rightly embarassed and Sky have rightly suspended him.


What has gone largely uncriticised is the father who was filming this on a busy road was driving.  What sort of a role model is he to his daughter by having her witnessing him driving a car while arguing and filming another person.  I dont know what way the law works in England with this stuff but his own camera footage should be enough for the police to knick him for reckless driving amongst other offences.


Another thing I hate about this is he obviously knew what he was doing and trying to make a name for himself and clearly could not wait to get the footage to the news crews.  If that was me who he spat at I would have tried to get into contact him directly and show him the footage and give him the opportunity to apologise and move on.  So childish and this could have had worse results as described on the news had he crashed the car.


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10 months ago  ::  12 Mar 18 07:03 PM #2
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I knew you were a GOOD GUY John.

Like you i was appalled by this incident featuring Carragher, although to be fair i have not yet seen the actual video, i may head over to YOUTUBE (everything it seems gets put up there) to take a look, from your description it sounds like this guy perhaps was aware of who it was next to him in his car? and was trying to goad him & get filmed footage so he could be MR BIG with his mates or SELL the footage.

This is sadly Today's Generation it seems? or maybe i am just getting older & my principles & morals are dying out? I HOPE NOT...there's still good folks in the world.

Even without viewing the video footage it's clear Carragher went too far (spitting is a NO NO but we know there are types that do such a thing) 
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10 months ago  ::  12 Mar 18 08:35 PM #3
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He knew what he was doing and he was heard saying "look its Jamie Carragher" and then honking the horn at him and shouting the result at him.


As for Carraghers reaction, well to say I was shocked is an understatement because I could not see that one coming.  I do however believe Carragher when he says it was a moment of madness and fair play to the guy as he didnt run and hide from his mistake like some others would.


Skys reaction is correct imo and a short suspension is the correct decision.  As for the other guy I am wondering if the police can use that footage against him to have him for reckless driving aswell as provoking other road users.  The irony of the man filming the evidence of his own crime would be hilarious.


On another note what is going to happen with West Ham after that on Saturday?  Is there a possibility of a points deduction?  The punishment has to be severe for that on top of all the other trouble they have been in like attacking team buses etc.  While the majority of West Ham fans are honest decent people there is a larger group of hooligans at West Ham games than any other club in the division.  I feel for Moyes as he left Everton going so well and walked into a frying pan at old trafford, then into the fire at Sociedad, into a volcano at Sunderland and now into the Sun at West ham.

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10 months ago  ::  13 Mar 18 07:32 PM #4
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Finally got to see the footage John.

It does not look good for Carragher, the guy in the other car is clearly filming him (and seems to be a United fan?) & is some what goading him (he shouldn't be doing either, the filming whilst driving OR the goading, clearly) but it is Carragher that winds down his window first(HUGE MISTAKE)

It seems to me that this starts off as a little small time banter, guy sees a famous pundit, happens to have a camera at hand so begins filming (whilst driving, clearly an offence) but there is no aggresion in the remarks from him, no swearing, no nothing really, except for a sarcastic unlucky Jamie mate 2-1 loss.

Blimey he probably gets worse from his mates, gone of the rails here has Jamie with this one, it might be the fact that his beloved Liverpool lost & he had to take stick from his mate Gary Neville too whilst reviewing the game & this coupled with the loss & a random guy filming him on the way home? has surprisingly tipped him over the edge this day.

The response is way over the top...spitting over at this guys car with his daughter catching some of it through the open window is shocking to see.

I think you may be generous with your limited suspension John, in any other walk of life he would probably get his marching orders for good...who wants a guy capable of such a thing in their workforce?

It will be interesting to see what SKY does with regards to this matter.
I believe Carragher when he says it's something he cannot believe he did & which he would never do again & like you i like a guy or woman who admits to such a thing (well he couldn't exactly deny it Smile) but spitting is a real low & i think he'll pay for it with his job (a few seconds of madness will make himm regret it for months if not years later)

As for WEST HAM...there is a nice lady that posts here from time to time (who's on the 888 Fantasy League with me) Jenny is her name & she must be pulling her hair out at the state of her club.
I have a real soft spot for a number of clubs & West Ham is one such club.
It is not the way to go about things & despite everything going around them it was Sir Trevor (Brooking) who remained in his seat & gave calm words at the end of this farce.

I too have some sympathy for Moyes, not only is he a good manager (not just Everton but Preston also before them) but for the most part he seems like a good fella too (albeit with the slight mishap with that put down to that female reporter a year or so ago...i didn't like that, very dismissive of her) but yeah he's having a real bad run of luck with clubs...
I like the escalation of pan to fire to volcano to into the sun Laughing
Yeah any guy following Sir Alex was on a hiding to nothing & then Sunderland (blimey i bet Coleman wish he could go back to WALES?) but it looked like things were beginning to come together at West Ham, he'd got them playing again, then injuries again & now this.
He's CURSED but i wish him & West Ham well but clearly something's got to happen with reagrds to what happened.

Meanwhile CITY won again 0-2 at Stoke.

I am living the DREAM, for decades we struggled but somehow? (THANK-YOU Paul Dickov) we got back to the Premiership, hung in there, got an amazing backer after a blah one, installed some decent managers (all, Mancinni & Pelligrini) before getting the manager everyone wanted with Guardy & the style of attacking football that takes us back to the LEE, SUMMERBEE, BELL era (although there was far more to that team than just these 3 cracking players)
I'll enjoy it whilst it lasts, it seems to me certain teams get they're chance to shine at some point in time & CITY's turn to once again do so, before us it was Chelsea, before them your United & before them Arsenal (let's not forget the fantastic Leicester season) 

It's been a long time since Liverpool's era or any real success for Tottenham but if they play things right? it could be they that become City's main challengers, United are doing better but i still can't see them as the team toppling City without some personel changes, can Mourinho change the habit of a lifetime? not sure, if City can beat Everton in the next game i understand we could win the Premiership on home soil against your United...i & many City fans would LOVE that & yet i could actually see a defensive performance from your guys stopping us?
Either that or we'll go MAD & win it with style 4 or 5-0 Wink

Here's hoping huh?
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10 months ago  ::  13 Mar 18 08:50 PM #5
John
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Slan abhaile Jose.  Times up your out m8. absolutely diabolical.

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10 months ago  ::  14 Mar 18 09:10 PM #6
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Feel for ya John, honestly.

After the feast of Fergie time (for some nearly 30 years in charge wasn't it?) it seems his LEGACY is being destroyed & most City fans would have to admit he was one of the ALL TIME GREAT MANAGERS.

Jose is no Fergie but then again who is?

I'm hoping you guys don't sack him & i really hope you don't go for someone like SIMONE at Athletico, that could make things very interesting between the two Manchester clubs.

I didn't expect that kind of performance either John by United at home to a struggling Seville team...when you've (for the most part) been treated to good, exciting, attacking football it's very difficult to take & watch each week (even when you win, playing in the style of Jose)
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10 months ago  ::  15 Mar 18 01:34 AM #7
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Ye it was depressing to watch but the worse thing was I expected it after the first leg.  I said it to my bro after the 1st leg that he has backed himself into a corner now and that it isnt likely to end well.  Once the threat of the away goal hung over the game like that he was going to keep it tight and try to knick the win but this time it didnt work.  He lost the upper hand in first leg by not attacking so I dont feel a bit sorry for the clown.


If that performance doesnt get him sacked then his post match interview will.  He is clearly doing what I thought he would and engineer his way to a payday sacking.  You dont boast about knocking the club your currently at out of the biggest competition in europe and not expect a negative reaction. 


I wouldnt even give him to the end of season and as for Simeone, no way i want to see him appointed.  Its got to be an attacking manager with some history and they are thin on the ground right now.  The two managers i would prefer just happen to be at the two biggest enemies of ours.  Wenger wouldnt be a bad bet now that I think of it and at least if he fails he cant say he wasnt backed like whats going on at Arsenal.

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10 months ago  ::  15 Mar 18 08:38 PM #8
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I think many of us expected United to get a goal or two away at Sevilla, but as you say Jose thought this (0-0) was a good result (Fergie wouldn't have) like Roy Keane i was still surprised you guys didn't have enough about you to see Sevilla off at home but clearly as you say the away goal rule (threat as you say rightly) HUNG over these united players heads & they did not cope well with it.

I listened to the radio with great interest after this result.

It seems the tide is turning, the fans are getting bored of this style of play & Jose's usual wordplay & it would seem even the board are beginning to have doubts.

I was of course being a little mischievious with regards to hoping he's not sacked & simone, i have to say as a CITY fan i am not & never have been a UNITED hater, i'll go further, i even support them (being an English side from my home city) in european competition (i'll whisper that quietly though Laughing)

I am assuming the other manager you would like other than Wenger!!! (WHAT??? that choice shocked me John i won't lie to you, as good a manager as he was he's LOST TOUCH i think & Arsenal fans would gladly give him to you) was Pochetinho at Spurs? or were you referring to GOD in a BLUE SHIRT Innocent Guardy is OURS...i hope for a long time, hoping he will build a LEGACY like Fergie did for you guys.

The interesting part for Guardiola is once our STAR players starts to age (we're ok for now, even Silva, Aguero & Kompany have a good few years left in 'em) can he find the young, exciting players before anyone else does? he's already picked up some CRACKERS in SANE, the other SILVA (have you seen him? quailty) & JESUS, Laporte looks tobe a calm & calulated defender & let's not forget STERLING who seems to have found the right manager to manage & help him, but can we add to them? judging by these choices i'd say YES Smile
I just wish there were more British talent that could force their way into the team (FODEN is a talented lad also)
I'd like to see KANE head to CITY...talk of 150 million for him, we have the money, i'd give the go ahead for someone i think is THE BEST STRIKER in THE WORLD currently.

If he does this? in what i think is the most competitive, exciting & difficult league to win in the world then he will rightly take his place alongside the likes of Fergie, Shankley, Clough, Busby and the like.

I genuinely wish you well, it would make for a FAR BETTER, closer & more exciting Premiership race especially with Liverpool, Spurs & one would imagine an improved Chelsea to come (many City fans would like to have it as it is...EASY STREET...but it never stays like this! which is WHY i am enjoying it so much right now, hoping we will win vs Everton & take it at home to you guys all in time for EASTER? amazing but if not we can wait...jose will no doubt park the bus!)
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